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Time to Rush To Get a Conduit Commercial Loan

Conduit loans, also known as CMBS loans, enjoy a fixed rate for a whopping ten years.  Unlike a fixed-rate commercial loan from a bank, there is no rate readjustment after five years.  The rate is fixed for the entire ten years.

And with ten-year Treasuries at just 0.79%, there has never been a better time in history to get ten-year, fixed-rate conduit loan.

Conduit loans are priced at some negotiated spread over the higher of ten-year Treasuries or corresponding interest rate swaps.  Here is where you go to find ten-year Treasuries.  Here is where you go to find today’s interest rate swaps (as known as the swap rate).  Here is another site that provides interest rate swaps.

Today (3/8/20), ten-year Treasuries are at 0.79%, and ten-year interest rate swaps are at 0.81%.  Therefore we will use the higher of the two indices – interest rate swaps.

Okay, but what is the spread or margin over the index?  Conduits are pricing their office, retail, and industrial commercial permanent loans at 140 to 290 basis points over the index.

Therefore, we are talking about conduit commercial loans priced at between 2.21% to 3.71%.  Wow!  So who gets the 2.21% rate, and who has to pay 3.71%?  It depends on the loan size, the risk, the debt yield ratio and the tenancy.

The larger the deal, the smaller the spread.  The safer the deal, the lower the spread.  For example, if your property is located on Madison Avenue in New York City, you will enjoy a lower spread than a deal located on a nice retail street in Salt Lake City.  Madison Avenue is a more proven location.

There are some properties, however, that sell for such incredibly low cap rates – for example, Madison Avenue in New York City – that the debt yield can be too low.  This is a bad thing.  Sometimes the debt yield ratio on that Salt Lake City property can be more attractive to a CMBS investor.

Do not confuse the debt yield ratio with the debt service coverage ratio.  Interest rates are so low that it is easy for most commercial properties to offer a 1.25 or higher debt service coverage ratio today.  The ratio is almost irrelevant when it comes to conduit-size deals ($5MM and larger).

The quality of your tenants also determines your spread over the index.  Quality refers to strength of your tenants.  If you have a shopping center anchored by Target or Krogers, you will enjoy a tighter spread than a shopping center anchored by a mom and pop grocery story.

CMBS loans are made by commercial real estate mortgage investment conduits “REMIC’s”, known as conduits.  There are specialized commercial mortgage companies that originate large, cookie-cutter commercial permanent (long term first mortgage) loans for eventual securitization.  In layman’s terms, a conduit loan is a very plain-vanilla first mortgage on one of the four basic food groups – multifamily, office, retail, and industrial properties.

Is your deal kinky?  Does it need a long story to explain it.  If so, its probably not a conduit-quality deal.

But it is important to note that your property does NOT need to be almost brand new and very beautiful.  Life company lenders demand such properties, but most conduits would be perfectly happy to make $8 million permanent loans on forty-year-old neighborhood shopping centers or on occupied, downtown, office buildings.

Every commercial lender prefers to make loans on multifamily properties, so the spreads on multifamily deals are about 10 bps. tighter.  You will not be shocked to learn that hospitality spreads are fifty basis points higher than standard conduit deals.

What about loan-to-value ratios?  You will seldom get a conduit lender to go higher than 65% LTV on a hotel.  The loan-to-value ratios on the four basic food groups are typically between 70% to 75%.  The higher the LTV and the lower the debt yield, the higher the spread (and eventually the higher the interest rate) that the borrower will pay.

Lastly, conduit lenders do NOT lock in their rates at application.  Most of them will, however, lock in their spreads, while the conduit commercial loan is in processing.  That being said, there will be a floor of 5 bps. to 10 bps. below the interest rate quoted at application.  In other words, if interest rates go up during application, the borrower will have to pay a higher rate.  If interest rates fall, the borrower might enjoy a slightly lower rate.

Investors, I know you are all freaked out that you might die from this coronavirus (its out to kill all of us “old-gomers”); but you can apply for a conduit loan from the safely of the virus bubble in your home.  Focus.  If you can close a conduit commercial loan during this crisis, your cash flow, and that of your heirs, will be fantastic!  Git ‘er done. Ten-year Treasuries may never be lower.

By George Blackburne

How Conduit Commercial Loans Are Priced

I have a great training article about commercial loans for you today.  How do conduits price their commercial loans?  After all, commercial lenders cannot buy a forward commitment from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, like a residential mortgage banker; yet most commercial loans today are fixed rate loans.  How on earth do the commercial loan officers, working for these big-time commercial lenders, know what to quote?

In a prior training article, I explained that most commercial bankers quote their fixed rate commercial loans at 275 to 350 basis points over five-year Treasuries.  You will recall that a basis point is 1/100th of one percent, so 300 basis points equals one 3.00%.
Suppose you call your local commercial bank and speak to a commercial loan officer about a commercial loan.  He will look up five-year Treasuries and see that on July 3rd, 2019 they stood at 1.74%.  He will then add between 2.75% (275 basis points) and 3.5% (350 basis points) to 1.74% to determine what rate to give you.
Does your client keep more cash on deposit than Fort Knox with his current bank?  If so, in an effort to win your client’s deposit accounts, the banker might quote you 4.49% for a ten-year, fixed rate commercial loan, with one rate readjustment at the end of year five.  If your client is a mere mortal, rather than a cash demigod, the bank will probably quote him 5.24%.
But these quotes are from banks.  How would a conduit lender quote his commercial loan?  After all, conduit loans are usually larger than $5 million, and the properties are reasonably desirable.  Their rates on commercial loans have to be more attractive than bank loans, right?
You will recall that conduits originate commercial loans for the CMBS market.  CMBS stands for commercial mortgage-backed securities.  Think of a CMBS loan as a huge, fixed-rate, commercial real estate loan written to cookie-cutter standards.
CMBS lenders have very little flexibility (that darned cookie cutter), but if you qualify, you get a ten-year, non-recourse, fixed rate commercial loan at a rate that is at least 40 basis points cheaper than what a bank can offer.  When you are talking about a commercial loan of $10 million, 40 basis points is real money.  In addition, conduit loans are FIXED for the entire ten years!
So when you call a commercial loan officer at a conduit, how does he know what to quote you?  Remember, unlike residential loans, you cannot lock your rate on a commercial loan.  When you apply for a conduit loan, you have to take the current fixed rate at the moment of closing, and the process takes at least 75 days.  Every day, from the time of application until the day of closing, your interest rate will change.
So I recently asked my good friend, Tom Lawlor at Morgan Stanley, how conduit commercial loans are priced.  Here are his kind answers:
Q:  Are CMBS loans still quoted based on swap spreads?
A:  Conduit loans are quoted as the greater of (matching) Treasuries or swap spreads, plus an agreed upon margin.
Swap spreads are financial instruments where nervous corporate Treasurers will swap their adjustable rate loans from the bank for a fixed rate loan from some speculator.  Obviously, for taking the risk that interest rates might skyrocket, the speculator makes a handsome profit on the deal.
Swaps spreads change daily, and you can find them posted here.
Your client is seeking a $12 million, ten-year, fixed rate, non-recourse commercial loan from a conduit.  Because your client is seeking a ten-year commercial loan, the conduit quotes him a negotiated margin over the greater of ten-year Treasuries (notice the matching term) or ten-year swap spreads.
On the date that the attorneys draw the loan documents, ten-year Treasuries are 2.00% and swap spreads are 2.15%.  The conduit will therefore use the greater of the two indexes.
Q:  What are some typical margins over swap spreads for multifamily?
A:  140-185 bps
Q:  What are some typical margins for office, retail, and industrial properties?
A:  The margins are similar to those of multifamily.  Pricing is most determined by the debt yield ratio or the debt service coverage ratio (DSCR), with the margins on hotel loans being 15-30 bps wider.
Because I didn’t want you to get confused between the speads over the index and swap spreads, I have used the term, margin.  In real life, where the lofty conduit lenders dwell (remember, their minimum loan is $5 million), they use the term, spread, over the index, rather than margin.
By George Blackburne